challenging debate, and i think it's one where relationships matter. will chick-fil-a continue donating to anti-gay groups? and in 2011, 990, yes, they will. have they stopped defending the more divisive groups, yes. i think that's a positive step forward, and it's significant. i'm not saying it's over. just because you're someone's friend doesn't mean you can't disagree with them. and you can't challenge them on who you are. and you know, dan invited me as a guest to his home. he's invited me, as you know, to the chick-fil-a bowl. you know, this man as he would call it in his faith, you know, there's a blessing of growth. and as a country, we need to acknowledge and respect people of faith. i'm a person of faith. there are gay people of faith. and i think that's been missing for -- from this discourse frankly. >> shane windmeyer, executive director of campus pride. thank you very much for sharing your thoughts with us. >> thank you, carol. "talk back" question for -- seems to pale in light of that conversation, doesn't it?